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		<title>By: &#187; Supers Carnival Roundup!</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Supers Carnival Roundup!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ishmayl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishmayl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have little to add accept for two points.  First, on your paragraph about Batman.  In my opinion, Batman represents that absolute pinnacle of heroism.  He chooses to do the right thing, based on his adherence to a powerful moral code, even when it is hard, he doesn&#039;t even have the powers of Superman.   All he has is his wits, will and brawn, and the knowledge that if he doesn&#039;t stand for that greater good, no one else will. I think he is a very deontological hero, and he is what I always benchmark other heroes against.

Second, in my campaign, we *don&#039;t* accept that it&#039;s &quot;normal that a ‘good’ character can commit genocide against orcs, kobolds and small blue furry creatures from alpha-centuri...&quot;  In fact, that&#039;s exactly what it is - Genocide.  When &quot;heroes&quot; decide they need the extra XP and decide to wipe out a drumen village, there are consequences to that.  Any creature that has a culture and even just a semblance of civilization is protected from just the &quot;wandering hero&quot; problem (my antithesis to the &quot;wandering encounter&quot;).

Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have little to add accept for two points.  First, on your paragraph about Batman.  In my opinion, Batman represents that absolute pinnacle of heroism.  He chooses to do the right thing, based on his adherence to a powerful moral code, even when it is hard, he doesn&#8217;t even have the powers of Superman.   All he has is his wits, will and brawn, and the knowledge that if he doesn&#8217;t stand for that greater good, no one else will. I think he is a very deontological hero, and he is what I always benchmark other heroes against.</p>
<p>Second, in my campaign, we *don&#8217;t* accept that it&#8217;s &#8220;normal that a ‘good’ character can commit genocide against orcs, kobolds and small blue furry creatures from alpha-centuri&#8230;&#8221;  In fact, that&#8217;s exactly what it is &#8211; Genocide.  When &#8220;heroes&#8221; decide they need the extra XP and decide to wipe out a drumen village, there are consequences to that.  Any creature that has a culture and even just a semblance of civilization is protected from just the &#8220;wandering hero&#8221; problem (my antithesis to the &#8220;wandering encounter&#8221;).</p>
<p>Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be too busy laughing my [rear] off at what the hell happened that Superman has to rape kids to save the world, to really take it very seriously or emotionally. Seems like too extreme a situation to really explore the theme in a mature way. But that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be too busy laughing my [rear] off at what the hell happened that Superman has to rape kids to save the world, to really take it very seriously or emotionally. Seems like too extreme a situation to really explore the theme in a mature way. But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Tregenza</title>
		<link>http://abutterflydreaming.com/2008/10/21/superheroes-are-made/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Tregenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always find these moral panics amusing because they just highlights the ludicrousness concepts of good &amp; evil in our society that are reflected in both superhero comics and D&amp;D&#039;s alignment.

We accept it as normal that a &#039;good&#039; character can commit genocide against orcs, kobolds and small blue furry creatures from alpha-centri. Just as we accept that those troops fighting for the allies in WWII were good. Even the ones dropping bombs on German or Japanese cities, killing men, women and children. This is a theme that superhero comics have explored at some length, most notably in Watchmen. 

Carcosa sounds like bad taste, a juvenile act to see how offensive they can be. If they really wanted to explore the idea, superheros would be my choice of genre. Imagine Superman in a situation where he had to rape an eleven year old or let the world be destroyed. That would be a scenario worth playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find these moral panics amusing because they just highlights the ludicrousness concepts of good &amp; evil in our society that are reflected in both superhero comics and D&amp;D&#8217;s alignment.</p>
<p>We accept it as normal that a &#8216;good&#8217; character can commit genocide against orcs, kobolds and small blue furry creatures from alpha-centri. Just as we accept that those troops fighting for the allies in WWII were good. Even the ones dropping bombs on German or Japanese cities, killing men, women and children. This is a theme that superhero comics have explored at some length, most notably in Watchmen. </p>
<p>Carcosa sounds like bad taste, a juvenile act to see how offensive they can be. If they really wanted to explore the idea, superheros would be my choice of genre. Imagine Superman in a situation where he had to rape an eleven year old or let the world be destroyed. That would be a scenario worth playing.</p>
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		<title>By: greywulf</title>
		<link>http://abutterflydreaming.com/2008/10/21/superheroes-are-made/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>greywulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as with any other media, there&#039;s always been rpg publishers who think it&#039;s cool and &quot;clever&quot; to be controversial. Pretty much without exception, it means it&#039;s a bad product anyhow; give it no merit, and it&#039;ll go away soon enough. These things only thrive if folks give them the time of day. Kudos to you for not linking  to it.

I think comic books - and the superhero genre in particular - is a complex beast. In the hands of talented writers, there&#039;s every bit as much depth to a hero as you&#039;d find in a great novel, and perhaps moreso because long standing heroes have a multi-decade history that few genres can match. Characters such as Superman, Batman and Spiderman must have passed through the hands of hundreds of writers, and while not all are as talented (or would claim to be) as folks like Geoff Johns, Frank Miller or Dan Abnett, they&#039;ve all contributed to the mythos as whole.

In the hands of the best writers, the hero becomes the sum of all that history. That&#039;s something pretty special.

Good post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as with any other media, there&#8217;s always been rpg publishers who think it&#8217;s cool and &#8220;clever&#8221; to be controversial. Pretty much without exception, it means it&#8217;s a bad product anyhow; give it no merit, and it&#8217;ll go away soon enough. These things only thrive if folks give them the time of day. Kudos to you for not linking  to it.</p>
<p>I think comic books &#8211; and the superhero genre in particular &#8211; is a complex beast. In the hands of talented writers, there&#8217;s every bit as much depth to a hero as you&#8217;d find in a great novel, and perhaps moreso because long standing heroes have a multi-decade history that few genres can match. Characters such as Superman, Batman and Spiderman must have passed through the hands of hundreds of writers, and while not all are as talented (or would claim to be) as folks like Geoff Johns, Frank Miller or Dan Abnett, they&#8217;ve all contributed to the mythos as whole.</p>
<p>In the hands of the best writers, the hero becomes the sum of all that history. That&#8217;s something pretty special.</p>
<p>Good post!</p>
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		<title>By: Wyatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. I personally think the outrage against Carcosa is really overblown and kind of sad, even if Carcosa itself is also really overblown (but definitely not sad – actually rather hilarious). I never really ran or played in a superhero game, but now you&#039;re starting to make me want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. I personally think the outrage against Carcosa is really overblown and kind of sad, even if Carcosa itself is also really overblown (but definitely not sad – actually rather hilarious). I never really ran or played in a superhero game, but now you&#8217;re starting to make me want to.</p>
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